1 00:00:34,470 --> 00:00:21,830 [Music] 2 00:00:41,160 --> 00:00:37,829 what's that bizarre-looking a golf cart 3 00:00:43,770 --> 00:00:41,170 you're setting in are we gonna go and 4 00:00:45,810 --> 00:00:43,780 play some golf boy like they say you can 5 00:00:50,219 --> 00:00:45,820 lead a horse to water but you can't make 6 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:50,229 them drink this isn't a golf cart unless 7 00:00:57,030 --> 00:00:53,650 you want to go into the future 8 00:01:01,740 --> 00:00:57,040 it's a bloody ass time machine can't you 9 00:01:04,020 --> 00:01:01,750 tell that okay so are you planning to go 10 00:01:06,510 --> 00:01:04,030 into the past or jump around in the 11 00:01:08,850 --> 00:01:06,520 future and let me think about that I'm 12 00:01:10,469 --> 00:01:08,860 not sure I figure I would coast it 13 00:01:13,499 --> 00:01:10,479 around for a time trying to get my 14 00:01:17,130 --> 00:01:13,509 bearings hope I don't run into t-rex 15 00:01:19,590 --> 00:01:17,140 or some creature out of the Black Lagoon 16 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:19,600 I thought I would look for our guest 17 00:01:22,530 --> 00:01:20,170 tonight 18 00:01:25,349 --> 00:01:22,540 I'm sure Diane would be really impressed 19 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:25,359 if I came cruising by in this air baby 20 00:01:34,340 --> 00:01:30,850 oh okay well I I wish you luck and I'm 21 00:01:37,770 --> 00:01:34,350 sure that Diane will be really impressed 22 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:37,780 why don't you pick her up and bring 23 00:01:42,539 --> 00:01:39,969 everyone back to the case you're our 24 00:01:46,559 --> 00:01:42,549 studio so we can get tonight's show 25 00:01:55,020 --> 00:01:46,569 underway but gosh damn get to sting come 26 00:02:07,379 --> 00:01:55,030 on come on come on come on well did 27 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:07,389 Diane make it back with us desert of 28 00:02:14,970 --> 00:02:12,610 time but no here we are a protect a 29 00:02:18,270 --> 00:02:14,980 protector we're right here in and and 30 00:02:20,660 --> 00:02:18,280 and and lost in Las Vegas with Tina and 31 00:02:24,330 --> 00:02:20,670 Tim how are you tonight out there in 32 00:02:26,730 --> 00:02:24,340 Jasper Indiana hole doing doing 33 00:02:30,990 --> 00:02:26,740 fantastic Tim like like Diane we're 34 00:02:32,130 --> 00:02:31,000 expecting cold weather tonight not quite 35 00:02:35,130 --> 00:02:32,140 as cold as 36 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:35,140 says she's having out of her outs but 37 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:38,890 yeah pretty cold pretty cold it is below 38 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:42,730 zero out there ah that's I don't know I 39 00:02:50,490 --> 00:02:44,890 don't know how how the yeah well you 40 00:02:55,110 --> 00:02:50,500 have all the animals in the house little 41 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:55,120 birds and but as many as I can 42 00:03:00,690 --> 00:02:57,610 well yet you do a good job of doing that 43 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:00,700 Tim give our listeners who don't know 44 00:03:04,979 --> 00:03:02,530 Dianne and there must be five or six of 45 00:03:07,380 --> 00:03:04,989 them out of there out there who don't 46 00:03:09,810 --> 00:03:07,390 know who Dianne test fit is so give us a 47 00:03:13,470 --> 00:03:09,820 rundown sure it's my pleasure Tim well 48 00:03:16,290 --> 00:03:13,480 Dianne is a frequent quest on exploring 49 00:03:18,330 --> 00:03:16,300 the bizarre but in the late 1970s Dianne 50 00:03:21,540 --> 00:03:18,340 was a field investigator with the aerial 51 00:03:23,910 --> 00:03:21,550 phenomena research organization a pro 52 00:03:26,940 --> 00:03:23,920 you know it well Tim and the air Florida 53 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:26,950 State section director for MUFON but her 54 00:03:30,810 --> 00:03:28,510 work on the UFO puzzle began when she 55 00:03:34,380 --> 00:03:30,820 was just four years old when she was 56 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:34,390 abducted not once but twice by UFO beans 57 00:03:38,910 --> 00:03:36,850 now Diane taught English as a second 58 00:03:41,460 --> 00:03:38,920 language for 11 years on st. Thomas 59 00:03:44,100 --> 00:03:41,470 Virgin Islands beautiful place by the 60 00:03:47,069 --> 00:03:44,110 way and in Florida now while living in 61 00:03:49,380 --> 00:03:47,079 Ireland she studied kelp Shaymin 62 00:03:51,630 --> 00:03:49,390 shamanism and folklore and she also 63 00:03:53,940 --> 00:03:51,640 lived near giant rock in the Mojave 64 00:03:56,819 --> 00:03:53,950 Desert of California or George Van 65 00:03:59,670 --> 00:03:56,829 Tassel met the ETS with the crowds of 66 00:04:01,160 --> 00:03:59,680 cheering people looking on now Diane has 67 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:01,170 worked with hundreds of abductees and 68 00:04:07,229 --> 00:04:04,450 experiencers for 38 years and publishes 69 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:07,239 newsletters for them Diane is also a 70 00:04:13,110 --> 00:04:09,730 director of the star Network cat 71 00:04:15,900 --> 00:04:13,120 sanctuary and Wildlife Refuge in Iowa 72 00:04:18,569 --> 00:04:15,910 established 22 years ago to give a warm 73 00:04:20,069 --> 00:04:18,579 good home to stray cats the sanctuary is 74 00:04:22,140 --> 00:04:20,079 supported by people who enjoy her 75 00:04:24,450 --> 00:04:22,150 writing and donations to the star 76 00:04:27,230 --> 00:04:24,460 Network cat sanctuary are always welcome 77 00:04:31,860 --> 00:04:27,240 now Diane is the author of the new book 78 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:31,870 future humans and the UFOs time for new 79 00:04:37,469 --> 00:04:35,050 thinking so Diane as always welcome to 80 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:37,479 exploring the bizarre oh I'm happy to be 81 00:04:44,970 --> 00:04:41,050 here well you know Diane I was just 82 00:04:48,030 --> 00:04:44,980 thinking today first time welcome 83 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:48,040 all right that we met it must have been 84 00:04:52,650 --> 00:04:51,970 around 1981 or so would you say that's 85 00:05:01,230 --> 00:04:52,660 correct 86 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:01,240 mists of time I remember it as if it was 87 00:05:07,500 --> 00:05:04,810 yesterday and you were living down in 88 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:07,510 Florida at the time and I guess I was on 89 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:12,370 a tour and I had heard heard about your 90 00:05:19,530 --> 00:05:17,170 involvement in the UFO field and so I 91 00:05:22,170 --> 00:05:19,540 came and I visited you and you told me 92 00:05:23,970 --> 00:05:22,180 some very interesting story and 93 00:05:26,670 --> 00:05:23,980 experience that had happened to you 94 00:05:28,710 --> 00:05:26,680 which has just been written up in the 95 00:05:31,860 --> 00:05:28,720 tip Schwartz's big book of incredible 96 00:05:33,510 --> 00:05:31,870 alien encounters but when I met you in 97 00:05:36,990 --> 00:05:33,520 the early eighties 98 00:05:41,070 --> 00:05:37,000 ufology was pretty much all an all-male 99 00:05:43,860 --> 00:05:41,080 ball game I mean if I remember correctly 100 00:05:47,450 --> 00:05:43,870 outside of yeah outside of a coral 101 00:05:51,150 --> 00:05:47,460 Lorenzen I I can't think of any other 102 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:51,160 ladies that were involved there may have 103 00:05:58,670 --> 00:05:54,930 been some you know contactees in all of 104 00:06:01,620 --> 00:05:58,680 course but as far as hardcore 105 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:01,630 researchers there were they were few and 106 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:05,410 far between maybe and ruffle I I would 107 00:06:11,460 --> 00:06:08,170 say let's give an a lot on the in the 108 00:06:15,210 --> 00:06:11,470 back there but very few and you kind of 109 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:15,220 stood out and they in the the crowd 110 00:06:20,670 --> 00:06:18,250 because of your intelligence your charm 111 00:06:23,850 --> 00:06:20,680 and also you're quite Judy I must say 112 00:06:26,460 --> 00:06:23,860 but it be that is a yeah yeah and be 113 00:06:27,930 --> 00:06:26,470 that is that the is it may I was 114 00:06:29,460 --> 00:06:27,940 impressed by your credentials in the 115 00:06:33,660 --> 00:06:29,470 fact that you were involved with the a 116 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:33,670 Pro and the mutual UFO network but 117 00:06:39,870 --> 00:06:35,650 before we get into some of these other 118 00:06:42,030 --> 00:06:39,880 things and I know you're one of the few 119 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:42,040 researchers who actually now have 120 00:06:48,090 --> 00:06:45,010 adapted the time travel hypothesis for 121 00:06:50,700 --> 00:06:48,100 UFOs or at least some of them let's go 122 00:06:52,770 --> 00:06:50,710 back to the the beginning now and that's 123 00:06:54,810 --> 00:06:52,780 a real beginning because we have talked 124 00:06:57,690 --> 00:06:54,820 about your content early contacts with 125 00:06:58,860 --> 00:06:57,700 high bus but let's get into this the the 126 00:07:01,350 --> 00:06:58,870 hardcore 127 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:01,360 incident that happened revolving around 128 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:05,290 your apartment where you lived in a very 129 00:07:13,140 --> 00:07:09,970 bad disaster yeah and it was a little 130 00:07:14,850 --> 00:07:13,150 house actually there was my parents and 131 00:07:20,570 --> 00:07:14,860 my daughter when I was teaching school 132 00:07:23,790 --> 00:07:20,580 and I had my best UFO sighting ever 133 00:07:26,969 --> 00:07:23,800 during the year of 1979 I call it my 134 00:07:30,510 --> 00:07:26,979 year of awakening that was I guess just 135 00:07:37,530 --> 00:07:30,520 before I met you 136 00:07:46,290 --> 00:07:37,540 so the Skyway disaster hold on let me 137 00:07:50,250 --> 00:07:46,300 get started properly here for that the 138 00:07:55,020 --> 00:07:50,260 Skyway Bridge got rammed by a barge on 139 00:07:58,500 --> 00:07:55,030 May 9th 1989 was at what st. Petersburg 140 00:08:00,779 --> 00:07:58,510 was it or yeah it was overlooking the I 141 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:00,789 want to get my hold on just a man I want 142 00:08:06,420 --> 00:08:03,810 to get my notes going so I can do this 143 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:06,430 smoothly yeah 144 00:08:12,060 --> 00:08:08,889 well going back to the silver bridge 145 00:08:16,820 --> 00:08:12,070 that collapsed in West Virginia with 146 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:16,830 where the Mothman Prophecies started I 147 00:08:25,050 --> 00:08:21,370 had a sighting of Mothman during the 148 00:08:27,650 --> 00:08:25,060 summer of 1979 but I'll get to that in 149 00:08:34,500 --> 00:08:27,660 just a minute 150 00:08:38,070 --> 00:08:34,510 my house was near Tampa Bay and the the 151 00:08:41,219 --> 00:08:38,080 best UFO sighting was down at the park 152 00:08:43,740 --> 00:08:41,229 overlooking Tampa Bay we were walking 153 00:08:46,650 --> 00:08:43,750 our my daughter and I were walking our 154 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:46,660 dog Bailey down there and there were two 155 00:08:58,530 --> 00:08:55,570 huge white spheres over Tampa Bay and 156 00:09:00,840 --> 00:08:58,540 there was a small crowd in the part that 157 00:09:06,420 --> 00:09:00,850 we're watching them so we of course 158 00:09:09,470 --> 00:09:06,430 watch them too and they stayed both of 159 00:09:11,569 --> 00:09:09,480 them stayed about an hour so 160 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:11,579 then I felt I was trying to communicate 161 00:09:17,509 --> 00:09:14,490 with one of them and I looked down just 162 00:09:20,420 --> 00:09:17,519 for a minute and when I looked up it was 163 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:20,430 gone so that was kind of insulting but 164 00:09:27,379 --> 00:09:24,930 the other one stayed well I gave up at 165 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:27,389 2:30 in the morning because I had to 166 00:09:36,699 --> 00:09:29,970 teach the next day and it was still 167 00:09:39,290 --> 00:09:36,709 there so it was if you held perhaps a 168 00:09:42,500 --> 00:09:39,300 bigger than now can you describe it in a 169 00:09:45,650 --> 00:09:42,510 little bit more detail it was almost 170 00:09:49,370 --> 00:09:45,660 like they were almost like two full 171 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:49,380 moons they had a texture to them they 172 00:09:53,540 --> 00:09:51,690 were white they were spheres I used to 173 00:09:56,990 --> 00:09:53,550 call him orbs and people thought I was 174 00:10:00,139 --> 00:09:57,000 talking about you know colorful orbs or 175 00:10:04,670 --> 00:10:00,149 possibly pollen orbs that type of no 176 00:10:12,379 --> 00:10:04,680 they were they were solid sphere spheres 177 00:10:17,030 --> 00:10:12,389 yeah Globes globe you globular yes 178 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:17,040 exactly yes and so then during the whole 179 00:10:26,269 --> 00:10:22,410 year of 1979 my house had a case of the 180 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:26,279 beeps it started in a television set at 181 00:10:32,689 --> 00:10:29,730 five before the hour my daughter was I 182 00:10:35,090 --> 00:10:32,699 don't know about ten I guess and we 183 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:35,100 noticed them together and and my parents 184 00:10:40,790 --> 00:10:38,250 didn't didn't pay you know we were she 185 00:10:43,519 --> 00:10:40,800 and I were just being crazy again but 186 00:10:46,730 --> 00:10:43,529 then they began to notice them the the 187 00:10:49,009 --> 00:10:46,740 beeps I wondered if it was a timekeeping 188 00:10:52,490 --> 00:10:49,019 mechanism or something from MacDill Air 189 00:10:56,329 --> 00:10:52,500 Force Base in Tampa because Tampa was 190 00:10:58,069 --> 00:10:56,339 you know across Tampa Bay there and we 191 00:10:59,889 --> 00:10:58,079 were a block from it our little house 192 00:11:04,540 --> 00:10:59,899 and st. Pete 193 00:11:09,650 --> 00:11:04,550 but then the beeps kind of went renegade 194 00:11:10,490 --> 00:11:09,660 and stuff didn't happen at the same time 195 00:11:13,430 --> 00:11:10,500 anymore 196 00:11:15,290 --> 00:11:13,440 and then before a day just beeped when 197 00:11:19,100 --> 00:11:15,300 they felt like it it would just be a 198 00:11:23,180 --> 00:11:19,110 beep and then it got to be in the lamp 199 00:11:25,550 --> 00:11:23,190 in the wall no way 200 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:25,560 yeah and huh whoa beat there's no 201 00:11:30,290 --> 00:11:29,850 mechanism internal to beep it was really 202 00:11:33,050 --> 00:11:30,300 weird 203 00:11:36,019 --> 00:11:33,060 I took a cassette back in the day a 204 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:36,029 cassette recorder bought a block from 205 00:11:43,929 --> 00:11:41,370 the house and we got a beat there but 206 00:11:47,929 --> 00:11:43,939 when my daughter and I played him back 207 00:11:49,189 --> 00:11:47,939 they would be faded it was hard to hear 208 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:49,199 him on the tape 209 00:11:54,350 --> 00:11:51,689 or else not there which was kind of 210 00:11:55,990 --> 00:11:54,360 annoying and really no explanation for 211 00:11:59,360 --> 00:11:56,000 that 212 00:12:03,710 --> 00:11:59,370 so then I want to get my dates right 213 00:12:05,179 --> 00:12:03,720 here we were getting ready for school I 214 00:12:08,530 --> 00:12:05,189 was trying to get my daughter ready for 215 00:12:15,470 --> 00:12:08,540 school on May 9th 216 00:12:20,119 --> 00:12:15,480 1980 this was the day that 35 people 217 00:12:23,139 --> 00:12:20,129 would plunge to their deaths in into 218 00:12:26,740 --> 00:12:23,149 Tampa Bay when the barge hit the bridge 219 00:12:29,620 --> 00:12:26,750 the barge was called the summit venture 220 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:29,630 so I was getting her ready for school 221 00:12:37,699 --> 00:12:33,930 when my smoke alarm started to beep well 222 00:12:39,350 --> 00:12:37,709 it hadn't had the beeps so anyway that 223 00:12:41,689 --> 00:12:39,360 was different and of course I raced 224 00:12:44,870 --> 00:12:41,699 around to check for fire and then I 225 00:12:47,809 --> 00:12:44,880 realized it was not the fire warning it 226 00:12:51,379 --> 00:12:47,819 also wasn't the battery low signal it 227 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:51,389 sounded almost like Morse code and my 228 00:13:00,710 --> 00:12:54,569 dad was trying to remember what he knew 229 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:00,720 a Morse code but at that point we had 230 00:13:06,740 --> 00:13:04,290 the TV on when a bulletin happened on 231 00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:06,750 the TV that said the barge had just ran 232 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:09,600 the skyway bridge so thus more smoke 233 00:13:14,090 --> 00:13:11,850 alarm stopped of its own accord and it 234 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:14,100 never did that particular weird thing 235 00:13:21,829 --> 00:13:19,170 again and all I could figure was this 236 00:13:25,369 --> 00:13:21,839 was maybe the desperate call for help of 237 00:13:27,860 --> 00:13:25,379 the energy bodies of the victims there 238 00:13:32,860 --> 00:13:27,870 would be a few seconds as they ply them 239 00:13:35,460 --> 00:13:32,870 as a very tall bridge as they still is 240 00:13:40,050 --> 00:13:35,470 it was one span of it because 241 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:40,060 a left-hand Lane and a red Hamlin and so 242 00:13:47,130 --> 00:13:42,250 perhaps as they plunged off the bridge 243 00:13:50,610 --> 00:13:47,140 falling falling the smoke alarm beeped 244 00:13:54,210 --> 00:13:50,620 but then the beeps and the house in the 245 00:13:55,860 --> 00:13:54,220 days after that I I don't remember if 246 00:13:58,380 --> 00:13:55,870 they I don't think they stopped abruptly 247 00:14:02,940 --> 00:13:58,390 but they kind of stopped happening they 248 00:14:05,730 --> 00:14:02,950 dwindled away but then I remembered I 249 00:14:09,810 --> 00:14:05,740 had been out in the yard during the 250 00:14:14,610 --> 00:14:09,820 summer of 79 by myself I watching the 251 00:14:19,140 --> 00:14:14,620 Stars and a big opaque black thing 252 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:19,150 wish'd overhead fairly low wings weren't 253 00:14:28,050 --> 00:14:22,810 flapping there was no motor sound it had 254 00:14:30,690 --> 00:14:28,060 an outline in blood red dark red around 255 00:14:37,710 --> 00:14:30,700 it almost like a cape would be lined 256 00:14:40,770 --> 00:14:37,720 with with red and big stars disappeared 257 00:14:45,410 --> 00:14:40,780 as it went over head and then reappeared 258 00:14:49,650 --> 00:14:45,420 again and I in this account by saying 259 00:14:54,870 --> 00:14:49,660 Mothman I presume because it really was 260 00:14:59,130 --> 00:14:54,880 and very strange sighting our that you 261 00:15:01,230 --> 00:14:59,140 know was it a bird a huge bird no it was 262 00:15:03,780 --> 00:15:01,240 I don't have a good explanation for it 263 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:03,790 other than Mothman and that relates to 264 00:15:09,900 --> 00:15:06,930 the Silver Bridge falling so perhaps he 265 00:15:11,420 --> 00:15:09,910 he showed he or she shows up when 266 00:15:15,150 --> 00:15:11,430 bridges are in jeopardy 267 00:15:19,170 --> 00:15:15,160 well not one now okay the the book that 268 00:15:21,870 --> 00:15:19,180 you have just said published by a flying 269 00:15:24,780 --> 00:15:21,880 disc presque over in the UK by our 270 00:15:29,870 --> 00:15:24,790 friend to Philip mantel future humans 271 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:29,880 and the UFOs time for new thinking now 272 00:15:36,060 --> 00:15:33,370 do you think that these harbingers of 273 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:36,070 doom I mean could it be that they were 274 00:15:48,420 --> 00:15:40,450 sent back from the future to the present 275 00:15:56,850 --> 00:15:52,139 I do the first question well I think 276 00:16:01,139 --> 00:15:56,860 that okay if if we don't blow ourselves 277 00:16:03,750 --> 00:16:01,149 up or destroy the planet to where we 278 00:16:09,210 --> 00:16:03,760 can't live on it we will go into the 279 00:16:12,750 --> 00:16:09,220 future and what I see is a future okay 280 00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:12,760 we'll keep advancing in science and 281 00:16:19,500 --> 00:16:17,440 technology if we're honest we're not so 282 00:16:23,010 --> 00:16:19,510 good at spirituality we're in the 283 00:16:27,870 --> 00:16:23,020 deficit there but you know I don't claim 284 00:16:30,780 --> 00:16:27,880 that their gods or I don't want to 285 00:16:32,750 --> 00:16:30,790 replace extraterrestrial gods people who 286 00:16:35,970 --> 00:16:32,760 believe that along that line or 287 00:16:38,850 --> 00:16:35,980 transcended masters I'm not replacing 288 00:16:41,190 --> 00:16:38,860 them with future human gods I simply 289 00:16:44,250 --> 00:16:41,200 think that we did go on into the future 290 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:44,260 we made leaps forward in computer 291 00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:46,570 science astronomy physics we are right 292 00:16:53,730 --> 00:16:49,920 now quantum physics biomedicine 293 00:16:56,220 --> 00:16:53,740 neuroscience genetic science and we are 294 00:16:59,190 --> 00:16:56,230 the forefathers and the for mothers who 295 00:17:02,100 --> 00:16:59,200 opened the windows on advanced knowledge 296 00:17:05,669 --> 00:17:02,110 and discovery which our children's 297 00:17:09,299 --> 00:17:05,679 children's children continued webs and 298 00:17:10,919 --> 00:17:09,309 sooner or later they came up with the 299 00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:10,929 key to time travel 300 00:17:19,169 --> 00:17:13,569 maybe when did they what did they do 301 00:17:23,299 --> 00:17:19,179 this well when I do not know it's it I 302 00:17:27,540 --> 00:17:23,309 think there would be different layers of 303 00:17:29,580 --> 00:17:27,550 units of future humans who come back 304 00:17:32,370 --> 00:17:29,590 here I don't think you know they could 305 00:17:35,549 --> 00:17:32,380 be from 50 years ahead they could be 306 00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:35,559 from 2 million years ahead and once you 307 00:17:41,390 --> 00:17:37,900 step out of time you're really from not 308 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:41,400 from any time but I think they probably 309 00:17:49,260 --> 00:17:44,650 this may account for what people feel or 310 00:17:51,870 --> 00:17:49,270 different tribes of ETS I think they 311 00:17:55,260 --> 00:17:51,880 very physically if there are a hundred 312 00:17:58,710 --> 00:17:55,270 years ahead compared to the ones that 313 00:18:01,800 --> 00:17:58,720 are two million years ahead so I think 314 00:18:05,130 --> 00:18:01,810 they tend to stick together in 315 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:05,140 general timeframe and they either come 316 00:18:11,010 --> 00:18:08,530 back as a military unit or a 317 00:18:14,250 --> 00:18:11,020 quasi-military almost like the 318 00:18:15,300 --> 00:18:14,260 Federation but maybe not as as benign 319 00:18:17,220 --> 00:18:15,310 and peaceful 320 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:17,230 although the Federation wasn't always 321 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:20,410 from Star Trek it it would defend itself 322 00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:23,890 but I'm not I'm saying they have our 323 00:18:32,220 --> 00:18:29,520 flaws because they're not entirely 324 00:18:35,820 --> 00:18:32,230 peaceful but it's one reason they've 325 00:18:39,290 --> 00:18:35,830 never attacked us it's their planet too 326 00:18:41,820 --> 00:18:39,300 and you wouldn't you know attack grandpa 327 00:18:45,930 --> 00:18:41,830 but there'd be no point in that 328 00:18:48,180 --> 00:18:45,940 but the one the one you know they say 329 00:18:51,110 --> 00:18:48,190 Occam's razor the least number of 330 00:18:54,380 --> 00:18:51,120 assumptions is probably the correct one 331 00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:54,390 when you think about it all we need is 332 00:19:01,500 --> 00:18:57,760 that time travel is possible and 333 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:01,510 Einstein never said it isn't possible so 334 00:19:08,190 --> 00:19:04,690 if back when Kenneth Arnold saw the 335 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:08,200 flying saucers we assumed they were ETS 336 00:19:14,790 --> 00:19:12,310 almost a knee-jerk reaction there's a 337 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:14,800 human fascination regarding alien 338 00:19:19,170 --> 00:19:16,690 life-forms 339 00:19:22,050 --> 00:19:19,180 time travel is used to in science 340 00:19:25,410 --> 00:19:22,060 fiction but it doesn't pack the punch 341 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:25,420 that aliens do and I think we assume too 342 00:19:33,540 --> 00:19:29,890 much right there and I've got in all the 343 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:33,550 chapters I can relate or give evidence 344 00:19:44,190 --> 00:19:38,410 as to why I think most not all you know 345 00:19:46,350 --> 00:19:44,200 my first sentences that I do not deny 346 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:46,360 that there are probably thousands of 347 00:19:52,350 --> 00:19:49,570 advanced ety races in the galaxy some 348 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:52,360 may visit earth I'm not saying there has 349 00:19:57,470 --> 00:19:55,330 never been an et however I think we've 350 00:20:00,180 --> 00:19:57,480 ignored what is right before our eyes 351 00:20:04,350 --> 00:20:00,190 then it's our descendants who are the 352 00:20:08,460 --> 00:20:04,360 occupants most flying saucers and I 353 00:20:10,500 --> 00:20:08,470 think maybe the Tic Tac thing has kind 354 00:20:15,950 --> 00:20:10,510 of instigated a new interest in time 355 00:20:19,530 --> 00:20:15,960 travel because that seems likely there 356 00:20:21,210 --> 00:20:19,540 now in the and the books that you just 357 00:20:26,420 --> 00:20:21,220 put together that's only been on a 358 00:20:29,490 --> 00:20:26,430 couple of weeks now you did find other 359 00:20:31,890 --> 00:20:29,500 individuals and and in science and and 360 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:31,900 literature and other walks of life who 361 00:20:38,910 --> 00:20:35,050 have done a simultaneous research on 362 00:20:39,690 --> 00:20:38,920 this and have come up with a similar at 363 00:20:42,150 --> 00:20:39,700 conclusions 364 00:20:44,130 --> 00:20:42,160 now as Yachvili is is one of the 365 00:20:46,350 --> 00:20:44,140 individuals i believe we had some of his 366 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:46,360 material in the book can you tell us 367 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:49,570 what good aldershot has to say and tell 368 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:51,130 us about some of the other people who 369 00:20:59,030 --> 00:20:55,930 have contributed contributed stimulating 370 00:21:02,580 --> 00:20:59,040 ideas that back you up right well 371 00:21:05,790 --> 00:21:02,590 Jacques has actually was persecuted to 372 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:05,800 some degree at one point because he kept 373 00:21:10,650 --> 00:21:07,690 saying I'm scrolling real fast here 374 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:10,660 trying to find his exact quote he gave 375 00:21:19,620 --> 00:21:15,250 us permission to use a paper that he did 376 00:21:25,170 --> 00:21:19,630 and he has always felt it's something 377 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:25,180 closer to Earth than ETS and ETS one 378 00:21:33,210 --> 00:21:27,850 thing he says is that why would they 379 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:33,220 hang around since 1947 or possibly have 380 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:36,370 been around first millennia wouldn't 381 00:21:43,140 --> 00:21:38,410 they travel on if they were galactic 382 00:21:45,450 --> 00:21:43,150 explorers are they so wonderful that 383 00:21:48,780 --> 00:21:45,460 they've been protecting earth all this 384 00:21:54,660 --> 00:21:48,790 time or trying to to save us well that 385 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:54,670 depends on what you think of ETS but you 386 00:22:00,650 --> 00:21:56,850 know he went back and talked about 387 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:00,660 fairies and leprechauns we've always had 388 00:22:07,410 --> 00:22:03,610 theirs I've got a chapter that's got 389 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:07,420 history that the Romans saw UFOs and 390 00:22:14,340 --> 00:22:10,890 people in the 1800s 391 00:22:17,940 --> 00:22:14,350 saw something in the air and and the 392 00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:17,950 people they stopped the beings got out 393 00:22:24,570 --> 00:22:22,240 the humanoid humanoid apparently had to 394 00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:24,580 land and the people stoned him to death 395 00:22:29,260 --> 00:22:28,480 but there's so many instances they've 396 00:22:33,670 --> 00:22:29,270 been 397 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:33,680 here throughout time on earth it's like 398 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:39,170 they belong on earth I just came got two 399 00:22:43,020 --> 00:22:40,730 Jack fillets 400 00:22:50,170 --> 00:22:43,030 chapter and there was one thing his 401 00:22:52,090 --> 00:22:50,180 conclusion of on the paper he says that 402 00:22:57,550 --> 00:22:52,100 there would you know they might have 403 00:23:01,060 --> 00:22:57,560 five thousand flyovers or landings check 404 00:23:03,490 --> 00:23:01,070 it's a new planet if there are ETS now 405 00:23:05,020 --> 00:23:03,500 they might fly over five thousand times 406 00:23:08,110 --> 00:23:05,030 in a year 407 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:08,120 check the ocean get to know the land get 408 00:23:13,810 --> 00:23:10,250 to know the people that are beings that 409 00:23:17,980 --> 00:23:13,820 lived on this planet and then he feels 410 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:17,990 they would travel on where again it's 411 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:22,730 something that stays close to Earth I'm 412 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:24,890 coming close to his alright lemme let me 413 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:26,450 interrupt you Diane because we have to 414 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:28,250 go to our break right now when we come 415 00:23:39,620 --> 00:23:30,410 back more Diane testimon are exploring 416 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:43,740 now back to exploring the bazaars with 417 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:46,330 two of the most electrifying researchers 418 00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:49,330 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy 419 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:54,640 immaculate and Taylor Swift's welcome 420 00:24:00,150 --> 00:23:56,290 back to exploring the bizarre I'm Tim 421 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:00,160 Schwartz Diane Tessman author of the new 422 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:03,730 book future humans and the UFOs time for 423 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:07,090 new thinking is our guest tonight Diane 424 00:24:13,050 --> 00:24:10,690 one of the things among thousands and I 425 00:24:16,970 --> 00:24:13,060 found fascinated about the UFO phenomena 426 00:24:20,130 --> 00:24:16,980 is that you know a lot of of 427 00:24:23,580 --> 00:24:20,140 experiencers who have had contacts with 428 00:24:28,830 --> 00:24:23,590 you know the beans that come out of UFOs 429 00:24:31,710 --> 00:24:28,840 is that these UFO occupants seemed to 430 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:31,720 have an almost intimate knowledge about 431 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:35,010 not only the history but the future of 432 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:37,690 the people that they're meeting I mean 433 00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:41,410 I've heard a number of cases where these 434 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:44,590 people have been given predictions by 435 00:24:49,170 --> 00:24:47,410 the UFO occupants on where they're going 436 00:24:50,790 --> 00:24:49,180 to end up living who they're going to 437 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:50,800 marry how many kids are going to have 438 00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:53,770 things like that it would seem to me 439 00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:55,840 that you know if you're dealing 440 00:25:00,830 --> 00:24:58,570 exclusively with extraterrestrials from 441 00:25:03,690 --> 00:25:00,840 another planet you know how would the 442 00:25:07,410 --> 00:25:03,700 how would they have any idea of what's 443 00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:07,420 going on in the future so I mean you 444 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:10,480 know III think that your point about 445 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:13,690 that we could be dealing with with time 446 00:25:22,140 --> 00:25:17,290 travelers is I mean it makes a lot of 447 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:22,150 sense to me well there's there's so many 448 00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:26,130 reasons physically you know back in the 449 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:29,940 1950s and 60s there were the the small 450 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:33,250 aliens that weren't quite as frightening 451 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:38,530 not quite as gray as the greys seem to 452 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:42,370 be now with the the large dark eyes they 453 00:25:49,860 --> 00:25:46,690 were I suppose midgets which is a 454 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:49,870 politically incorrect word though but as 455 00:25:57,690 --> 00:25:52,770 I understand it dwarves probably have 456 00:26:00,330 --> 00:25:57,700 are badly proportion but midgets are 457 00:26:02,340 --> 00:26:00,340 just little people they're proportioned 458 00:26:06,270 --> 00:26:02,350 right at least that's what I had learned 459 00:26:09,620 --> 00:26:06,280 back before [\h__\h] became not that 460 00:26:14,810 --> 00:26:09,630 politically correct and that's really 461 00:26:17,850 --> 00:26:14,820 I've got a list one after another of 462 00:26:21,060 --> 00:26:17,860 landings that people witnessed 463 00:26:26,580 --> 00:26:21,070 especially in the 50s and 60s were 464 00:26:29,460 --> 00:26:26,590 simply little people and I think we fail 465 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:29,470 to realize how different life would be 466 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:32,290 from another planet-- and how big that 467 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:37,330 galaxy is out there for it to you know 468 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:38,890 there's the theory that well there's 469 00:26:43,230 --> 00:26:42,490 this preserver race and they traveled 470 00:26:45,570 --> 00:26:43,240 around 471 00:26:48,270 --> 00:26:45,580 yeah those many years ago and they 472 00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:48,280 spread humanoids around on different 473 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:50,710 planets well you know that takes a lot 474 00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:55,810 of assumptions Oh from where did they 475 00:27:03,960 --> 00:26:58,930 where were they from how did they become 476 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:03,970 humanoid and they planted us well maybe 477 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:07,330 but it's to me it's takes less 478 00:27:13,950 --> 00:27:11,050 assumption to simply say we're not 479 00:27:16,050 --> 00:27:13,960 stupid I mean we have a lot of people 480 00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,060 are really disgusted with us I've 481 00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:18,880 discovered as a species because we've 482 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:22,720 gotten into such a dark a Dark Age a new 483 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:25,570 Dark Age we're mean to each other 484 00:27:33,770 --> 00:27:30,130 our leadership isn't so great new old 485 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:33,780 problems are coming back but we will 486 00:27:43,650 --> 00:27:37,810 advance at least scientifically and tech 487 00:27:48,350 --> 00:27:43,660 in technology and why do we think that 488 00:27:51,870 --> 00:27:48,360 we'll never find the key to time travel 489 00:27:57,180 --> 00:27:51,880 jax-ur fadi has has put forth the theory 490 00:28:00,220 --> 00:27:57,190 now involving meta materials which is a 491 00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:00,230 difficult thing it's an exotic 492 00:28:06,250 --> 00:28:02,110 it they have an exotic at 493 00:28:10,270 --> 00:28:06,260 electromagnetism and his this may not be 494 00:28:13,030 --> 00:28:10,280 the formula I'm not saying it is but 495 00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:13,040 he's a maverick he's always been a 496 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:16,370 maverick physicist and you know it might 497 00:28:23,169 --> 00:28:19,970 take a nonconformist to just make that 498 00:28:26,049 --> 00:28:23,179 leap forward because quite often science 499 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:26,059 is very dogmatic and just says well time 500 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:28,610 travel okay it's not impossible but it's 501 00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:31,850 just so so difficult and of course it's 502 00:28:40,090 --> 00:28:37,520 not time travelers and we we've always 503 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:40,100 you know we invented fire and then the 504 00:28:48,370 --> 00:28:44,330 airplane and we sell ourselves short I 505 00:28:50,620 --> 00:28:48,380 think and in doing so and this is that 506 00:28:53,740 --> 00:28:50,630 my conclusion in the final chapter 507 00:28:58,060 --> 00:28:53,750 we've law we we're not inspired anymore 508 00:29:01,900 --> 00:28:58,070 we don't we we don't reach outward to 509 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:01,910 explore to discover and for instance if 510 00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:04,490 your grandmother came from her 511 00:29:10,659 --> 00:29:06,820 great-grandmother came from Ireland 512 00:29:14,110 --> 00:29:10,669 survived the fam the the big famine 513 00:29:17,860 --> 00:29:14,120 there landed in Ellis Island and and you 514 00:29:21,370 --> 00:29:17,870 find this out when you do a DNA study as 515 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:21,380 so many people do that's in sport that 516 00:29:26,980 --> 00:29:23,450 gives you strength you think well I can 517 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:26,990 be strong like her well what about our 518 00:29:33,460 --> 00:29:28,130 grandchildren and our 519 00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:33,470 grandchildren they'll look back and look 520 00:29:39,460 --> 00:29:36,080 for strengthen us there is a bridge 521 00:29:43,150 --> 00:29:39,470 there and what do we think that they're 522 00:29:45,460 --> 00:29:43,160 doing in the future do we not care I 523 00:29:46,690 --> 00:29:45,470 mean everybody loves your grandchildren 524 00:29:50,409 --> 00:29:46,700 but what about us 525 00:29:54,250 --> 00:29:50,419 as a human race a species are you our 526 00:29:57,220 --> 00:29:54,260 young ones that go on and on why is it 527 00:30:03,400 --> 00:29:57,230 that we just don't consider this and yet 528 00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:03,410 we're willing to you know to just accept 529 00:30:11,649 --> 00:30:07,120 well the ETS yes I believe in loom and 530 00:30:13,639 --> 00:30:11,659 again they may be visiting but I assume 531 00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:13,649 future humans perhaps 532 00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:18,399 patrol disguise of the future maybe they 533 00:30:25,049 --> 00:30:21,720 patrol our skies now maybe they're on on 534 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:25,059 maneuvers you know quite often when we 535 00:30:35,310 --> 00:30:32,010 see a UFO and the thing is we've always 536 00:30:38,669 --> 00:30:35,320 it's always the eternal now I mean you 537 00:30:41,789 --> 00:30:38,679 can lay out under the stars and you know 538 00:30:42,750 --> 00:30:41,799 you think about things like this the 539 00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:42,760 caveman 540 00:30:51,180 --> 00:30:46,110 it's his eternal and he's in the now 541 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:51,190 Queen Victoria's in the now where it's 542 00:30:58,680 --> 00:30:53,890 always now and so you see how time is 543 00:31:03,240 --> 00:30:58,690 simultaneous and of course ultimately it 544 00:31:05,060 --> 00:31:03,250 doesn't it's an illusion and why we 545 00:31:08,220 --> 00:31:05,070 think we maybe haven't found a way to 546 00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:08,230 you know some people say that forward 547 00:31:15,899 --> 00:31:11,080 and backward is actually sideways rather 548 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:15,909 than forward and backward in time but be 549 00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:18,130 that as it may maybe there's a way with 550 00:31:24,139 --> 00:31:20,110 quantum computers that are coming online 551 00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:24,149 to drill down into the quantumness of 552 00:31:30,899 --> 00:31:27,940 each layer of time it may not even 553 00:31:34,110 --> 00:31:30,909 involve creating a wormhole which is a 554 00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,120 difficult thing or folding space but 555 00:31:40,110 --> 00:31:36,640 there's there's people including Sarfati 556 00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:40,120 that are working on on folding space a 557 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:44,140 warping like Star Trek did but even at 558 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:48,730 that even if you fold space it is such a 559 00:31:58,380 --> 00:31:54,490 huge huge vast distance that you know 560 00:32:02,779 --> 00:31:58,390 how many ETS would even finders out out 561 00:32:06,930 --> 00:32:02,789 there in the end why why would they warn 562 00:32:10,289 --> 00:32:06,940 the nuclear warheads like UFOs turned 563 00:32:13,529 --> 00:32:10,299 him off both at Malstrom Air Force space 564 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:13,539 and it Minot Air Force Base where they 565 00:32:20,610 --> 00:32:16,210 were actually the missiles were at Minot 566 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:20,620 and the co the controls were at Malstrom 567 00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:24,330 and both of them had UFOs fly over and 568 00:32:30,390 --> 00:32:25,910 turn 569 00:32:33,490 --> 00:32:30,400 the nuclear codes and and the warheads 570 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:33,500 there's been UFOs over civilian nuclear 571 00:32:38,580 --> 00:32:34,690 sites 572 00:32:43,150 --> 00:32:38,590 and what about when the oceans rise 573 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:43,160 torrential rains f4 tornadoes nuclear 574 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:46,850 sites are always built on water what do 575 00:32:52,990 --> 00:32:48,530 we think is going to happen if the 576 00:32:58,780 --> 00:32:53,000 climate continues to become chaotic and 577 00:33:00,490 --> 00:32:58,790 and also nuclear waste storage you know 578 00:33:02,890 --> 00:33:00,500 we've had this big argument over Yuma 579 00:33:06,750 --> 00:33:02,900 mountain that they want to store nuclear 580 00:33:09,510 --> 00:33:06,760 waste in that stuff laughs lasts a 581 00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:09,520 half-life of a hundred thousand years 582 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:14,240 give or take more hundred thousands of 583 00:33:23,140 --> 00:33:17,810 years and why are we leaving behind on 584 00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:23,150 our planet for for our progeny and so 585 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:26,480 maybe they come well there's there's a 586 00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:29,570 number of reasons they might come the 587 00:33:35,980 --> 00:33:32,480 human genome may have been damaged 588 00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:35,990 through nuclear through radiation maybe 589 00:33:41,470 --> 00:33:38,960 a war that hasn't happened or maybe just 590 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:41,480 what we've already done has contaminated 591 00:33:49,510 --> 00:33:45,050 the planet how bad is the planet going 592 00:33:52,690 --> 00:33:49,520 to get we really don't know Diane we 593 00:33:56,380 --> 00:33:52,700 have a question from a listener Ryan on 594 00:33:59,650 --> 00:33:56,390 skype and Ryan wants to know that do you 595 00:34:01,780 --> 00:33:59,660 think that the Mandela effect I hope 596 00:34:03,910 --> 00:34:01,790 you're familiar with that term could be 597 00:34:06,790 --> 00:34:03,920 could be the result of someone 598 00:34:11,350 --> 00:34:06,800 time-traveling and changing changing our 599 00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:11,360 timeline that's kind of Oh also could be 600 00:34:19,090 --> 00:34:16,129 connected well it's not that easy to to 601 00:34:22,740 --> 00:34:19,100 change a timeline I don't think yeah it 602 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:22,750 could have something to do with some 603 00:34:30,430 --> 00:34:26,210 disturbance or something connected to 604 00:34:34,419 --> 00:34:30,440 future humans there's I know there's a 605 00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,429 Star Trek episode where jet pilot is is 606 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:36,800 chasing the enterprise has been thrown 607 00:34:43,950 --> 00:34:38,770 back accident 608 00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:43,960 Lee into 1960s airspace earth and they 609 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:46,510 have to take him aboard because their 610 00:34:51,870 --> 00:34:49,330 tractor beam broke up his jet it 611 00:34:55,380 --> 00:34:51,880 couldn't take the force so they got to 612 00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:55,390 save the pilot but there he is aboard 613 00:35:03,890 --> 00:34:58,210 now what are they gonna do with him he's 614 00:35:07,290 --> 00:35:03,900 from 1960 and they finally decide to 615 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:07,300 slingshot around the Sun and gain enough 616 00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:12,730 speed to make time go backwards and they 617 00:35:18,990 --> 00:35:16,000 deposit him back in his jet right before 618 00:35:22,830 --> 00:35:19,000 it breaks up so four hits a loop in time 619 00:35:26,070 --> 00:35:22,840 and for him nothing happened he may have 620 00:35:29,250 --> 00:35:26,080 strange dreams but it never happened and 621 00:35:34,170 --> 00:35:29,260 so you know if there's manipulations of 622 00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:34,180 time like causal loops yeah I suppose 623 00:35:41,550 --> 00:35:37,680 there could be the Mandela fact could be 624 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:41,560 alternate timelines we may throw that 625 00:35:47,250 --> 00:35:44,170 term around a little too easily but I 626 00:35:49,230 --> 00:35:47,260 think Jack Sarfati would say who would 627 00:35:53,070 --> 00:35:49,240 say we throw it around too much but yeah 628 00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:53,080 could be well that's some physicists 629 00:35:57,450 --> 00:35:55,510 have suggested that you know you could 630 00:35:59,700 --> 00:35:57,460 travel back into the past all you want 631 00:36:02,070 --> 00:35:59,710 and do anything that you want to you 632 00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,080 know kill kill your grandparents or 633 00:36:08,130 --> 00:36:04,560 whatever because all it will do is 634 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:08,140 create different timelines that will 635 00:36:13,230 --> 00:36:10,570 shoot off and create different futures 636 00:36:16,590 --> 00:36:13,240 now you may never be able to get back to 637 00:36:19,170 --> 00:36:16,600 the to the original timeline that you 638 00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:19,180 started out from but that's the way that 639 00:36:27,690 --> 00:36:23,020 the universe solves the paradox yes but 640 00:36:30,030 --> 00:36:27,700 I surf ideas give me a little education 641 00:36:34,250 --> 00:36:30,040 in physics there's something called the 642 00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:34,260 Novikov loop a Novikov cell can 643 00:36:42,180 --> 00:36:39,910 self-consistency principle that says you 644 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:42,190 really cannot kill your grandfather you 645 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:45,810 really cannot change whatever you did 646 00:36:53,420 --> 00:36:49,930 you can't change the time the line that 647 00:36:59,700 --> 00:36:53,430 you're in because 648 00:37:03,480 --> 00:36:59,710 it'll always be part of your history the 649 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:03,490 same you can't change the future you're 650 00:37:10,290 --> 00:37:07,330 locked in the Novikov time loop but I 651 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:10,300 know there is the multi where worlds or 652 00:37:15,780 --> 00:37:13,330 many worlds theory that says well 653 00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:15,790 there's alternate we're always making 654 00:37:22,860 --> 00:37:19,320 alternate realities if we don't meet our 655 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:22,870 future mate there goes one branch of a 656 00:37:27,930 --> 00:37:25,330 reality we do meet him or her there's a 657 00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:27,940 different branch and even on smaller 658 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:30,190 things that it's constantly branching 659 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:34,770 and I think that's string theory too but 660 00:37:41,340 --> 00:37:39,610 you still Novikov can still apply 661 00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:41,350 he was incidentally an old Russian 662 00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:43,270 physicist in the 1800s 663 00:37:49,740 --> 00:37:47,830 that came up with the fact that and this 664 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:49,750 rule is accepted in physics that you 665 00:37:55,650 --> 00:37:52,930 really can't break out of the reality 666 00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:55,660 you live in if they're if an alternate 667 00:38:03,960 --> 00:37:59,440 is made an alternate you goes into that 668 00:38:08,850 --> 00:38:03,970 other alternate reality you you are 669 00:38:13,470 --> 00:38:08,860 still in your original so so I've got a 670 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:13,480 whole chapter on crazy physics stuff I 671 00:38:19,710 --> 00:38:16,570 think probably the future humans have a 672 00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:19,720 rulebook that leaves our tax code as a 673 00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:24,160 tiny boy huge book on what you can do 674 00:38:31,650 --> 00:38:27,400 and what you shouldn't do and but you 675 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:31,660 know there could just be as far as the 676 00:38:38,730 --> 00:38:34,090 military units or maybe college kids 677 00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:38,740 coming back to grandpa's day on a field 678 00:38:45,420 --> 00:38:41,440 study or something I don't think they 679 00:38:47,820 --> 00:38:45,430 have to all of them master the ins and 680 00:38:50,220 --> 00:38:47,830 outs of time travel there they're 681 00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:50,230 functioning as a unit 682 00:38:58,290 --> 00:38:52,900 it's also - also today and there are 683 00:39:02,550 --> 00:38:58,300 people who apparently drift back in time 684 00:39:05,250 --> 00:39:02,560 or maybe forward in time who have no 685 00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:05,260 control over it I mean you're giving us 686 00:39:10,319 --> 00:39:06,430 instances 687 00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:10,329 people who are entities or individuals 688 00:39:16,829 --> 00:39:15,520 who are determined to come back at the 689 00:39:18,450 --> 00:39:16,839 time I mean they seem to know what 690 00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:18,460 they're doing they're coming here for a 691 00:39:23,490 --> 00:39:18,880 reason 692 00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:23,500 believe that there's some people that 693 00:39:29,370 --> 00:39:27,180 are floating around accidentally as well 694 00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:29,380 accidentally step through a window or 695 00:39:34,589 --> 00:39:31,839 you know or a doorway through time or 696 00:39:38,130 --> 00:39:34,599 something like that like an a like a 697 00:39:41,549 --> 00:39:38,140 natural effect I don't know if there is 698 00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:41,559 a natural yeah maybe I know people claim 699 00:39:48,210 --> 00:39:44,079 to be time travelers but my book is 700 00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:48,220 really my answer it's a big thing in 701 00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:51,520 ufology as far as what I'm trying to put 702 00:39:56,220 --> 00:39:54,400 forth I'm not really interested in 703 00:40:00,540 --> 00:39:56,230 somebody that says there a time traveler 704 00:40:02,190 --> 00:40:00,550 I tend to be skeptical but I just I know 705 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:02,200 we're running short on time but when you 706 00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:03,490 look at abductions 707 00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:08,800 it's a catch-and-release of your of you 708 00:40:15,059 --> 00:40:12,400 know they do it they whoever does it 709 00:40:17,099 --> 00:40:15,069 wants people to be frightened so that 710 00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:17,109 you don't ask too many questions or you 711 00:40:28,370 --> 00:40:22,720 don't take too many notes and they may 712 00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:28,380 need our DNA or enzymes or something 713 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:32,079 there's no reason for ETS unless you 714 00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:35,410 really believe in hybrid babies and and 715 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:37,119 all that kind of thing which I've never 716 00:40:45,020 --> 00:40:41,530 quite believed in but the future humans 717 00:40:48,809 --> 00:40:45,030 have a reason for taking tissue samples 718 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:48,819 ETS don't their tissue would be we have 719 00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:51,690 more in common with an earthworm than 720 00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,079 the than the et DNA it would be so 721 00:41:01,230 --> 00:40:58,480 different a planet with a different Sun 722 00:41:05,220 --> 00:41:01,240 different light different chemistry 723 00:41:07,170 --> 00:41:05,230 different it would develop sentient 724 00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:07,180 intelligent life but it wouldn't 725 00:41:14,849 --> 00:41:11,710 couldn't use our DNA it with it if you 726 00:41:17,970 --> 00:41:14,859 look at it scientifically and I don't 727 00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:17,980 know if you follow gee does look at it 728 00:41:25,859 --> 00:41:20,230 scientifically these myths of 729 00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:25,869 hold up and I so to me it's it's an 730 00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:29,440 answer or a possible answer or a partial 731 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:33,760 answer to the entire puzzle well no your 732 00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:36,010 own split your own space at your own 733 00:41:44,609 --> 00:41:39,340 space contact your own contact at Ibis 734 00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:44,619 does he ever approached this a subject 735 00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:46,960 to time travel or or what does he say 736 00:41:54,540 --> 00:41:50,830 about his orientation well he's always 737 00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:54,550 said he is a future human mom he says 738 00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:57,000 that they're advanced spiritually I 739 00:42:02,550 --> 00:41:59,290 don't claim that because I don't have 740 00:42:06,450 --> 00:42:02,560 improve they're not as advanced as it 741 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:06,460 could be but they've moved forward which 742 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:12,010 makes sense with evolution and for years 743 00:42:19,050 --> 00:42:15,970 he's given spiritual mass messages and 744 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:19,060 I've told the star people as I call them 745 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:22,690 my readers that Titus is a future human 746 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:26,290 and so those who follow me are kind of 747 00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:29,290 used to this idea and he says he works 748 00:42:37,859 --> 00:42:34,480 with ETS and whatnot but again that is 749 00:42:41,310 --> 00:42:37,869 subjective and this is an objective book 750 00:42:47,250 --> 00:42:41,320 as close as as I possibly can make it so 751 00:42:50,220 --> 00:42:47,260 I didn't go into that in this book so if 752 00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:50,230 if we are dealing with time travelers 753 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:53,310 from the future does this mean then that 754 00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:55,330 we'll never have this 755 00:42:58,500 --> 00:42:56,710 you know the landing on the White House 756 00:43:00,420 --> 00:42:58,510 lawn so to speak with them coming out 757 00:43:02,940 --> 00:43:00,430 and saying hey we're not aliens we're 758 00:43:04,890 --> 00:43:02,950 actually you know you're a great great 759 00:43:07,710 --> 00:43:04,900 great grandchildren from the future I 760 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:07,720 mean if they do that that just may mess 761 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:11,410 everything up I think that future humans 762 00:43:18,570 --> 00:43:15,490 would pose a huge challenge or threat to 763 00:43:22,410 --> 00:43:18,580 the powers that be because not everybody 764 00:43:24,780 --> 00:43:22,420 would follow ETS if but future humans 765 00:43:27,810 --> 00:43:24,790 they would have the cure for cancer and 766 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:27,820 other diseases they probably could help 767 00:43:32,580 --> 00:43:30,250 set the planet you know you can send 768 00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,590 artificial intelligence into the Amazon 769 00:43:36,999 --> 00:43:34,160 or Australian fire 770 00:43:41,529 --> 00:43:37,009 and put him out a lot faster and not 771 00:43:44,529 --> 00:43:41,539 have any fireman killed they would there 772 00:43:47,529 --> 00:43:44,539 be a certain segment who would follow a 773 00:43:50,109 --> 00:43:47,539 different branch of humans and that's a 774 00:43:53,019 --> 00:43:50,119 real threat to the powers of be but I 775 00:43:58,079 --> 00:43:53,029 think there is a drip drip of disclosure 776 00:44:01,089 --> 00:43:58,089 like with the tic tacs and the Nimitz 777 00:44:04,569 --> 00:44:01,099 the tic tacs didn't make any effort to 778 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:04,579 hide they were wanted to be seen 779 00:44:11,469 --> 00:44:08,170 apparently they were on radar they 780 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:11,479 played around with the with the jet 781 00:44:17,410 --> 00:44:13,970 pilots kind of like a Top Gun who's ever 782 00:44:19,710 --> 00:44:17,420 got the most advanced Top Gun psychology 783 00:44:22,359 --> 00:44:19,720 who's ever got the most advanced 784 00:44:24,849 --> 00:44:22,369 technology wins and it was the tic tacs 785 00:44:27,579 --> 00:44:24,859 not the jet pilots but they were 786 00:44:31,479 --> 00:44:27,589 peaceful they didn't do anything to the 787 00:44:36,460 --> 00:44:31,489 Jets and that's all sounds rather human 788 00:44:40,180 --> 00:44:36,470 to me too competitive you know guys 789 00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:40,190 pilots there it could be an artificial 790 00:44:44,380 --> 00:44:43,849 intelligence system running the the Tic 791 00:44:47,019 --> 00:44:44,390 Tacs 792 00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:47,029 or there could have been beings in them 793 00:44:53,499 --> 00:44:51,920 as well all right Diane unfortunately we 794 00:44:55,450 --> 00:44:53,509 only have about three minutes left in 795 00:44:57,700 --> 00:44:55,460 the show so why don't you let our 796 00:45:01,390 --> 00:44:57,710 audience know where they can find your 797 00:45:04,989 --> 00:45:01,400 book your websites you know anything 798 00:45:08,650 --> 00:45:04,999 else that you'd like our audience to 799 00:45:13,479 --> 00:45:08,660 know about you well I I'll send a free 800 00:45:47,830 --> 00:45:13,489 newsletter online to anyone who contacts 801 00:45:57,490 --> 00:45:51,340 see I have a another website I've 802 00:46:00,040 --> 00:45:57,500 started called teen time-travel but I'm 803 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:00,050 trying to design it so I apologize for 804 00:46:05,020 --> 00:46:02,690 the looks of it but I just wanted people 805 00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:05,030 to have a place to go that we're 806 00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:07,400 interested in this idea where they could 807 00:46:14,410 --> 00:46:09,950 learn a bit more about it and of course 808 00:46:16,810 --> 00:46:14,420 I'm all over Facebook so that that 809 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:16,820 pretty much covers it all right well 810 00:46:23,740 --> 00:46:21,170 also to uh read Diane's entire story 811 00:46:26,590 --> 00:46:23,750 about her incident that took place at 812 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:26,600 the near the Tampa Bridge disaster and 813 00:46:32,110 --> 00:46:29,690 that you can find in Tim Schwartz's big 814 00:46:35,710 --> 00:46:32,120 book of incredible alien encounters 815 00:46:39,010 --> 00:46:35,720 that's only been out for a month or so 816 00:46:41,260 --> 00:46:39,020 and it's a five hundred pages of some of 817 00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:41,270 the best documented cases that have ever 818 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:44,720 transpired and of course our YouTube 819 00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:48,650 channel mister UFOs secret files now has 820 00:46:58,240 --> 00:46:52,640 over 400 interviews and of course the 821 00:47:01,180 --> 00:46:58,250 kco our radio.com archives is there and 822 00:47:04,030 --> 00:47:01,190 it's got some great shows besides our 823 00:47:06,250 --> 00:47:04,040 own and Diane thank you for being on 824 00:47:10,450 --> 00:47:06,260 with us this week it's always a pleasure 825 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:10,460 to chat with you and Tim we'll see 826 00:47:23,090 --> 00:47:19,940 you've been listening to exploring the 827 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:23,100 bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley 828 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:26,610 panting Swartz they're taking back the 829 00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,890 night by jetting non-stop across the 830 00:47:34,730 --> 00:47:31,440 cosmos in search of the truly bizarre 831 00:47:38,090 --> 00:47:34,740 and totally unexplained with you as 832 00:47:41,870 --> 00:47:38,100 their combined Thursday nights at 7:00 833 00:47:44,590 --> 00:47:41,880 p.m. Pacific 10:00 p.m. Eastern and the 834 00:47:47,020 --> 00:47:44,600 K cor digital radio 835 00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:47,030 for more information on exploring the 836 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:50,480 bazaar and hosts Timothy Becky 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